[OpenWrt-Devel] [PATCH 1/2] base-files: make USE_PROCD=1 default

[John Crispin]

Hi,

ignoring the ranting and putting  the enlightening philantrophic 
comments aside, on a pure technical level, being the author of procd, I 
dont think this is a good idea. procd is an opt-in feature for those 
that want to use it. there has never been a requirement to make it 
baseline. USE_PROCD=1 is only intended for the owrt specific core 
services that want to make use of the advanced features. owrt is a linux 
system and thus should by default be able to run SYSV init style rc.d 
scripts. anything else would be a very daring thing to do. To be honest 
I dont even understand the motivation of wanting to make this opt-out.

     John

On 02/08/2019 18:38, Reiner Karlsberg wrote:
> Although not a developer of openwrt itself, but a happy (?) user, I 
> have to agree to the statement below.
>
> PROCD=1 default is a NOGO for me.
>
> Simple reason,as mentioned already: Software, which is not documented, 
> does not exist.
> Which is a requirement, we had to obey to already half a century ago. 
> When I wrote my first Assembler code.
>
> For me, this is another step of openwrt into bloatware, as it becomes 
> more and more "obfuscated",
> the simple user like me not giving any idea, how it is supposed to work.
>
> Which breaks another old principle of software development: Egoless 
> programming.
> Not only the coder should understand, how it works.
>
> Open Source is heading into Closed Source.
> Back to the roots.
>
>
> My few cents.
>
> Reiner Karlsberg
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Am 02.08.2019 um 18:18 schrieb Kevin 'ldir' Darbyshire-Bryant:
>>
>>
>>> On 2 Aug 2019, at 16:00, Hannu Nyman <hannu.nyman at iki.fi> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hauke Mehrtens kirjoitti 2.8.2019 klo 17.42:
>>>> On 7/23/19 3:37 PM, Petr Štetiar wrote:
>>>>> Transition period for init script migration was long enough, let's
>>>>> make USE_PROCD=1 default now so there's enough time to convert the
>>>>> remaining services/init scripts for the next release.
>>>>>
>>>>> Signed-off-by: Petr Štetiar <ynezz at true.cz>
>>>>> ---
>>>>>   package/base-files/files/etc/rc.common | 113 
>>>>> ++++++++++---------------
>>>>>   1 file changed, 47 insertions(+), 66 deletions(-)
>>>>>
>>>> Do you know how many packages in the package feed and the main
>>>> repository are still not using procd?
>>>>
>>>> External repositories, not the package feed, will probably be affected
>>>> most, but I think we do not have to care and there were many years to
>>>> convert.
>>>>
>>>> Acked-by: Hauke Mehrtens <hauke at hauke-m.de>
>>>>
>>>> Hauke
>>>>
>>>
>>> I do not remember seeing ever a general call for converting the old 
>>> packages to using procd. In that sense this proposed change to 
>>> switch the default comes a bit surpise.
>>>
>>> Quick search in the packages feed repo reveals that there are 281 
>>> instances of "/etc/rc.common" and only 205 instances of USE_PROCD. 
>>> So, likely about 75 packages in the packages feed repo only are 
>>> using the old syntax without procd.
>>>
>>> Has a decision been made to declare the old-style init file invalid? 
>>> Will it be possible to still use the syntax? What is the new 
>>> "override" to indicate the usage of the old syntax?
>>>
>>> Or will the proposed change disable the packages using the old init 
>>> file syntax totally?
>>
>> My reading of the change is that old syntax is basically dropped.
>>
>> Wish for:  We should be using procd and to that end I started looking 
>> at converting the ‘important to me’ packages: ddns & miniupnpd.
>>
>> Real life: Documentation is confusing vs real life which is just 
>> plain different. See adblock startup script as an excellent example 
>> of **** that just isn’t documented.
>>
>> I gave up and left the process feeling very angry.
>>
>>
>> KDB
>>
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