[OpenWrt-Devel] [LEDE-DEV] [PATCH v2] merge: add OpenWrt branding

[por at oranjevos.nl]

Dear Florian,

Seems the discussion that was raised on using a personal openwrt address in a SOB does not do much good so far and it is certainly not my intention to go against rule #12; I would be sorry if I did. The question I raised is, although about personal addresses, absolutely not aimed at anyone personally.

Your thorough reading of the rules makes sense: the future tense of rule #10 might be interpreted as to mean that existing addresses are exempted. But the principal reason, equality, mentioned in that very same rule for not offering (new) accounts under the openwrt domain, is by its sheer nature not restricted to the future. The wording in the remerge rules tries to leave some fair lapse for existing accounts, but using that space to the (maximum) extend that a strict reading of the words would allow, does not seem right. Usage for the purpose of (still) receiving mail is reasonable, using it actively for sending mail is ... more complicated.

On your question whether I purposely did not mention the restriction on adherence to trademark policy and FOSS purpose, the answer is simple: it did not seem relevant in this case (there is no reason to believe that the SOB violated that rule).

I do not think this issue warrants much more discussion as most that's relevant has probably been said and the relevance is relative.
It's up to you guys to decide want you want, to weight the odds, regards from a by-stander,
Paul


> Op 27 okt. 2017, om 21:54 heeft Florian Fainelli <f.fainelli at gmail.com> het volgende geschreven:
> 
> On 10/27/2017 02:34 AM, por at oranjevos.nl wrote:
>> Dear Imre,
>> 
>> On the info for the version of the patch: my error, must have overlooked the included version info, it is indeed included.
>> 
>> About the use of openwrt email addresses in the SOB:
>> This has been discussed before, and the arguments against using an openwrt mail address as a personal address haven't vanished.
>> The address in the SOB is meant to identify a contributor, most likely a natural person, not some entity of the openwrt project. Usage of an openwrt mail address suggests that the person using that address has another position in the project than those that use mail addresses not within the openwrt.org domain, which does not go well with LEDE rules.
>> 
>> IIRC, during discussions on the remerge, the following compromis was reached: usage of personal openwrt addresses wasn't ruled out completely, but only in passive sense, as a means to keep receiving mail on the address and active usage for personal business is not allowed. John remerge proposal v3 states clearly:
>> - mail addresses may under no conditions be used for any personal business, consultancy, applying for jobs, ... purposes
> 
> Did you purposely omit the next bullet item that says?
> 
> - any mail sent from an openwrt.org account needs to adhere the
> trademark policy and should only be used for FOSS purposes
> 
> Link:
> http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/lede-adm/2017-May/000517.html
> 
>> 
>> As a mail address in a SOB is a personal address, is meant to be that, using an openwrt address in a SOB goes directly against the agreed on rules, and certainly against the spirit of the LEDE rules that have proven to be successful in making the project getting traction and commitment.
> 
> LEDE project rule #10 does only stipulate that new email addresses will
> not be given away on the premises of and privacy and equality:
> 
> https://lede-project.org/rules
> """"
> 10. The project will not offer email accounts under its project domain
> for privacy and equality reasons.
> """"
> 
> That sentence is written with the future tense, and therefore does not
> try to impose or specify anything with respect to emails given before
> (so in the past).
> 
> Therefore, my reading of the LEDE project rules and the remerge proposal
> makes me so inclined as to think that Imre is not in direct violation of
> the LEDE project rules regarding the use of an @openwrt.org email
> contributor for FOSS perspectives.
> 
> Quite frankly, if the goal is just to give Zoltan and Imre a hard time
> and nitpick on everything possible just to delay (purposely or not) the
> remerge, then you are doing a great job at it, but this goes against
> rule #12.
> 
>> Paul
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> Op 26 okt. 2017, om 18:32 heeft Imre Kaloz <kaloz at openwrt.org> het volgende geschreven:
>>> 
>>> Hi Paul,
>>> 
>>> On 2017-10-26 18:16, por at oranjevos.nl wrote:
>>>> Please, could you add some info on what has changed with the new version of the patch ?
>>>> And, it would be appreciated when the SOB would not use an openwrt.org mail address (assuming Imre has another suitable mail available).
>>>> 
>>>> Paul
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> Op 26 okt. 2017, om 17:41 heeft Zoltan HERPAI <wigyori at uid0.hu>
>>>>> het volgende geschreven:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Given that we've decided to sail under the same flag for
>>>>> the benefit of the whole community, and acknowledge the
>>>>> achievements of the LEDE project, let's start the final
>>>>> steps of the merge.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The git and other sources are untouched until the infra merge.
>>>>> 
>>>>> v2: - dismiss bugtracker and forum change
>>>>>  - update uhttpd cert gen
>>>>>  - update banner
>>>>>  - update busybox NSLOOKUP patch
>>>>> 
>>>>> Signed-off-by: Zoltan HERPAI 
>>>>> <wigyori at uid0.hu>
>>>>> 
>>>>> Signed-off-by: Imre Kaloz 
>>>>> <kaloz at openwrt.org>
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>> Please find the changes listed in the description, but left it in above as well. As for using another email address, I won't use my personal one for this as I don't use this for that, simply as that. This is fully following what the merge agreement that has been voted for and got accepted defined.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> Imre
>>> 
>> 
>> 
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> 
> 
> -- 
> Florian
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