[OpenWrt-Devel] Introducing the LEDE project

[Jonathan Bennett]

There is plenty of blame to go around, I think.  Seems like the Lede guys
should have had the decency to at least inform the Openwrt leadership
privately that they were planning this venture.  The surprise announcement
must have felt very much like a stab in the back. "Et tu, brute?" and all
that.  I think they want a "friendly fork" as much as possible, but they
dropped the ball in how they announced it.  I suspect that a private email
to mbm and kaloz could have gone a long ways towards heading off problems.
As has been pointed out, the public announcement should not have come from
an @openwrt.org email.

That said, deleting their emails was totally uncalled for.  Seems that
those should be restored, perhaps with the caveat that they are more
carefully used with regards to Lede, aka, not for publicizing or promoting
it.

Guys, for the love of the project, the users, and all else that is good,
please don't make this a ffmpeg/libav split.  Openwrt has been an amazing
thing for a long time, and if mishandled, this has the potential to
actually kill it.

The changes that the Lede guys are suggesting would be welcome, but
splitting the project and community with an ugly fork is very much not
welcome.

--Jonathan Bennett

On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 10:12 AM John Clark <inindev at gmail.com> wrote:

>  >>the sudden deletion of our widely published openwrt.org email
> addresses somewhat undermines this
>
> Just so I am not jumping to wrong conclusions, their *.openwrt.org email
> addresses were deleted in retaliation for forking OpenWrt? Seriously?
> How did you not think that wasn't going to go well after all they have
> done for OpenWrt?
>
> --John
>
>
> On 5/5/16 11:04 AM, Roman Yeryomin wrote:
> > On 5 May 2016 at 17:43, Daniel Dickinson <openwrt at daniel.thecshore.com>
> wrote:
> >> On 16-05-05 05:34 AM, Roman Yeryomin wrote:
> >>> On 5 May 2016 at 06:48, Daniel Dickinson <openwrt at daniel.thecshore.com>
> wrote:
> >>>> On 16-05-04 04:01 PM, mbm wrote:
> >>>>> Dear OpenWrt community,
> >>>>>
> >> [snip]
> >>> One simple question:
> >>> If LEDE team members are the ones who were suffering from some
> >>> non-democratic decisions, why didn't they bring it to public
> >>> discussion for community? At least on devel maillist?
> >>>
> >>> If it was clear problem in remaining OpenWrt team then LEDE would win
> >>> the community right away or maybe problematic people would just go
> >>> away. Either way it would be more fair and open. And this is one of my
> >>> biggest concerns - LEDE team is promoting openness but didn't do their
> >>> moves openly (looking at maillists it seems they were hiding it for
> >>> month at least). Hate double standards.
> >> Perhaps for fear of repercussions such as what has happened since the
> >> fork where all LEDE members @openwrt.org email addresses have been
> deleted?
> > AFAIK, that was done after LEDE announcement but IMO was a wrong move
> anyway.
> >
> >> There are a number of people in the LEDE group I've found to be pretty
> >> decent people, and great to work with, so I find it unlikely that they
> >> simply acted without good reason.
> > This only add more shock to the announcement.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Roman
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